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Rain days indeed. UFO NewsHawk radio on 1010 CFRB Toronto and Montreal CJA D800. You'll

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be watching this program with your host, Errol Bruce Maher.

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Yeah, there are certain people, well I look forward to having everybody on this program,

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but there are certain people that I look forward to having on this program more so because

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some people who come to this program come bearing gifts. And Wendy Connors is certainly

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one of those people who comes bearing gifts. An amazing collection of audio Wendy Connors

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has down there in her Albert Kirke New Mexico home. She has become known as Faded Discs.

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She collects historical UFO audio and every time she comes here she brings interesting things.

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And tonight is no exception. Here on the line with us from Albert Kirke New Mexico is audio archivist,

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UFO historian and the honcho, the only honcho, the only person involved with Faded Discs.

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Here's Wendy Connors. Wendy, good evening. Good evening Errol. Hi Ian, hi Rob, Bobby, how are you?

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We're all glowing here. It's 20 degrees and in this studio humid as hell.

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Oh my God. Well it was 96 degrees Fahrenheit here all day.

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Remember we're not talking Fred here, we're talking 20 degrees chuck which is, what is it,

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about 65, 70, something like that? Yeah. Well that's not bad.

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Yeah. So Wendy Connors, what you got? Well I brought you some really neat stuff tonight.

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You know you would. Matter of fact I thought that we would go back to 1966 and I thought that I would kind of

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let the audience revisit the Michigan flap. UFOs were seen everywhere in Michigan in 1966 in March.

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And so tonight's little episode is called Don't Flick That Bic, it's swamp gas.

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So let me climb back into my way back disk and travel to March 1966 Michigan.

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I mean there was chaos. Michigan was attracting more UFOs than marijuana seeds at Woodstock.

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There were reports of UFOs landing, UFOs being spotted by police, UFOs chasing the police.

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Radar operators were grabbing their chest having heart attacks. It was a cornucopia wave of euthelogical delight.

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Boy that's a heck of a line isn't it? I'm sitting here not saying anything maybe.

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Well for a little while at least. Into this fracas walks an extremely well known astrophysicist, Dr. Joseph Allen Heineck.

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His trusted pipe squarely clenched between his teeth and his bristly beard absolutely oozing wisdom.

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By the time Dr. Heineck had finished his investigation, wisdom would be out the window, his career severely dented,

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and the nation passing on a big bag of gas the U.S. Air Force was trying to serve.

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But here's the rub, Errol. Dr. Heineck is innocent of the swamp gas media explosion of March 25th, 1966.

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Like Humphrey Bogart having never said play it again Sam in the movie Casablanca,

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Old Doc Heineck never said the answer to the Hillsdale and Ann Arbor cases were quote, swamp gas, unquote.

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Hmm, he didn't.

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Now from News, I'm sorry?

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He didn't.

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And I'm going to prove that tonight.

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So from Newscaster Frank Edwards immortal line, here are the facts, the audience, be the judge.

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Now to set up the Michigan Flaps scenario, this first clip is a short news interview with Frank Manor.

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Old Frank reported a UFO had landed on his property in Dexter, Michigan.

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So from March 21st, 1966, here's Frank Manor.

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We're about 15 miles north of Ann Arbor at the Frank Manor farm and just behind me is the site where the alleged flying saucer landed last night.

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Mr. Manor described what he saw.

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And that thing just looked right up.

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And that's when we see the site of it.

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But we couldn't see the bottom.

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There was something there but we couldn't see where it was.

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So you see the side of it.

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What's the side of it that looks like?

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That's what I'm saying.

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It looked like a quarter or a quarter rock or something on the side of it.

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And if it was, maybe it was spinning, I don't know.

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I can't tell.

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I didn't get as, you know, that much of a look at it.

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What did it do then when you got this close to it?

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Did it go?

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Well, then the sun said, look at that.

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The whole looking thing.

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And when he said that, the lights were now.

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We went up on top of that mouse and the boy can run pretty fast.

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And when it crossed, quickened up there, it was way down to the other end.

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And the lights weren't even there at that.

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That's in parallel with that tower.

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See that tower, the tower over there.

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It was right in line with that.

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There's too much quicksand.

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There's a little bit of light down there.

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There's no quicksand.

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So we came on back and then you're dead.

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And down over there, you're left.

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And there were up there on top there.

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They had, you know, our guests that were trying to hand it in.

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Making the yellow cross there and right up on top of that mouse.

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And apparently they weren't seeing their lights when they got up on it now.

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You're like, oh, that's all it worked for.

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Washington All County Sheriff Douglas J. Harvey said he thinks there's something to the reports.

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things were really popping at the Old Vail College.

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Now a gaggle of co-eds were having more fun than the beer bus

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and wet t-shirt contest of the week before.

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What they were doing was observing an object moving around in an area behind their dormitory.

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Now on the following day, the local news channels were announcing for the pair of it.

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That the United States Air Force itself was sending their top UFO investigator to get to the bottom of things.

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The usually skeptical U.S. Air Force has dispatched a top scientist from Northwestern University

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to look into the rash of UFO sightings in Washington, Ocaly.

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Dr. H. Allen Heineck, chairman of the Dearborn Observatory at Northwestern,

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he's the Air Force's scientific consultant to the UFO study program.

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He's reportedly arrived and will be operating out of Selkridge Air Force Base near Mock-Clemens.

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His arrival comes in the wake of still another sighting of an unidentified flying object last night,

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more than 80 co-eds, and assistant dean and the county civil defense director

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watched the UFO hover and blow in a swampy area near Hills Vail College.

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Did you notice that the newscaster trips up on Dr. J. Allen Heineck's name?

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Yeah, well, it's the first time he came across it, you know.

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Yeah, old Dr. Allen Heineck.

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Newscasters aren't always, unlike the guys here, but the brightest bulbs on the planet, you know?

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You should hear me mangling the French language.

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You mean two cans short of a six-pack?

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Two cans short of a tall boy.

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Well, you know, I think that this proved to be a really bad omen of things to come to good Dr. Heineck.

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I really do, because the person who really got the best look at the event behind the girls' residence hall

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was the civil defense director of Ann Arbor, Michigan, William Van Horn.

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Now, why a civil defense director is perambulating around the back of a girl's dormitory in the middle of the night?

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And it strikes me as a tad bit odd.

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Well, he was defending their civil whatever's.

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Yeah, he's protecting them.

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I would have done the same thing, you know?

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Serving and protecting.

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Pacific duty.

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Well, anyway, this next little clip is William Van Horn describing the event.

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At the time that I first observed it, we say that on the right was a quite dim orange-colored light.

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And to the left was quite a dim white light.

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And it was approximately 25 feet in between the two lights.

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Michigan 1966.

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Yeah, that would have been about March 21st, 22nd.

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We're out in there.

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Great UFO flap of Michigan in 1966.

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They were absolutely everywhere.

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Just everywhere.

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And I think that was one of the really big years in ufology.

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And as you go back to the history of ufology, there are certain years that just really stand out.

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Like 1958 with the Donald Keyhoes censored, being censored on the Armstrong Circle Theater.

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Just all kinds of interesting little kid bits from history that kind of bunch up in certain years.

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And 1966 is one of those years.

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Yeah, and most of them bunch up in a cluster hidden behind something and are forgotten about.

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And fortunately, we have Wendy Conner is here with a lot of historical clips.

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Well, I try to provide some entertainment.

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Well, you certainly do that.

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And I know a lot of people, a lot of researchers are listening tonight because you're playing clips that have never been heard outside of your computer speakers in 50 years or 40 years as it happens to be.

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Heard very rarely.

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Because a lot of the material, I'm very grateful to a lot of the old timers in ufology that collected this material and subsequently gave it to me.

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And what I've been trying to do is trying to put it in some kind of an order.

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Wendy, we'll break here.

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We'll come back and perhaps get into some Alan Hynek when we come back.

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Okay, we'll be back with Wendy Conner's fated discs and an audio archivist, a UFO audio archivist down there in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

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With us tonight, Wendy Conner is a UFO archivist, UFO historian, audio archivist.

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We're back in the midst of the UFO flap of 1966 in Michigan.

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Wendy.

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And here we go.

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Dr. Hynek finally arrived on the scene in Michigan.

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And before he can really do any kind of an investigation, he has a media sensation.

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I mean, he had reporters crawling all over him.

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And to some, he was a man sent to put a stop to the nonsense about flying saucers, landing in the swamps of Michigan and doing their intergalactic panty raids.

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Now, the reality is...

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This is... we've gone from the back of the door, the girl, the co-ed dorm to panty raids.

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Now, this is good radio, Wendy.

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Yeah, good stuff, huh?

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Now, the reality of the flying saucers, Errol, is accepted by everybody.

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But the Air Force itself, it would say.

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It's at this point in time that old Doc Hynek put his foot in his mouth.

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Instead of his trusty old pipe.

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So let's have a listen to him trying to schmooze the media with mumbo jumbo scientific acumen.

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Because he hasn't done anything yet, except failing to see that he's the dupe for the Air Force debunking position.

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That is the most exciting fact so far ever, see people in the relatively few that have talked so far have seen light.

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Basically, it's a large, bright light hovering for sometimes as much as two hours.

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Going brighter, getting dimmer, brighter, moving, rising a little bit and settling down again.

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But very little, as to any shape of a tangible object, the concentration has been on light.

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So what can you tell me about what you have found out thus far?

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The people seem to be sincere and certainly the Air Force and Project Blue Group were bad all witnesses who report.

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He's sincere, honest and in general, and I find there are no indication of a hoax.

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But I have no notion as yet as to what this is because in this situation it's like bringing a piece of jigsaw together.

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You have a piece here and a piece there and you have to bring them together.

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And of course the whole idea is to separate facts from interpretation of facts.

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No sound bites in then days, huh?

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No, they're...

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For those of you who are wondering, trying to place Jay Allen Hineck, he's immortalized in the film Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

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In the scene where the mothership lands on Devil's Tor, they keep cutting to this not tall man in a...

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I think it was a sort of grayish suit, gray hair, beard, glasses and a pipe.

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Which he keeps pulling out of his pocket and going to put into his mouth and never quite makes it.

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And that's Jay Allen Hineck who was highly respected in his time and highly respected by Spielberg.

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Hineck was a consultant on that film.

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Yes, he was.

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So that's Jay Allen.

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In fact he got $10,000 for that.

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Wow, that's probably the most money he ever made out of ufology.

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Well, I don't know.

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He got his regular consulting fee, you know, from the airport.

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Which was kind of nice, you know, because that went on from 1948 to 1959.

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So it's quite a chunk of change.

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So Michigan was gradually turning into a national media event at that time, huh?

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Yeah, everybody was seeing UFOs.

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And the local gossip mills were in absolute overdrive.

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The reporters themselves were salivating like a pack of dogs instead of a raccoon.

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Don't they always?

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And Hineck is tucked away at self-rejure force base just to give the whole scene a sense of official pomposity.

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Now nobody was really investigating anything.

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Hineck was just chit-chatting with people, you know what I mean?

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And minimal wage reporters, and this is funny, were pretending to be seasoned investigative journalists.

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Sounds like one or two people I know.

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Yeah, now none of this circus worked, and the tent was going to fall.

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On March 25th, 1966, Dr. Hineck was to learn what it feels like when you find yourself all alone,

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and things are quiet from the storm, when, you know, you smack yourself in the forehead and say,

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sheesh, then feel like a real doofus when you realize what you've done.

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I really think, from a historical perspective, that's just what he did.

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Now, Hineck did fumble the Ann Arbor-Hildfield cases, but he never deserved to be tagged with the moniker Dr. Swamp Gas.

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You see, Hineck never said the phenomenon being observed was Swamp Gas.

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And here's why. Give a listen.

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A flying saucer expert hired by the Air Force today dismissed reports of weird flying objects

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that have been sighted throughout southern Michigan this past week.

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Dr. J. Allen Hineck told the news conference in Detroit this afternoon.

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It would say to me that the association of the sightings with swamps in these particular cases is more than coincidence.

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No group of witnesses observed any craft coming to or going away from the swamps.

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The glow was localized there. Deputy Fitzpatrick described the glow from beyond the rise adjacent to the swamp as visible through the trees.

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He stated that the lights brightened and dimmed much as stage lights do smoothly and slowly.

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The girls at Hillsdale described the identical things.

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This could have been due to the release of variable quantities of marsh gas.

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What'd he say?

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Well, there you have it.

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Variable quantities of marsh gas.

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So he never said swamp gas.

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He never did. And then he's quoted directly in a lot of the UFO literature of claiming it was swamp gas.

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Yeah. Play Swamp Gas, Sam.

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Well, there you have it. But what do you got?

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Well, exactly. What do you have?

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Well, maybe the good Dr. Heineck was not guilty of saying swamp gas, but, you know, he was guilty of, well, not marshaling his forces.

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Oh, marshaling. Oh, Wendy.

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Well, you know, that really isn't the end of the story.

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So, I'm Michigan Congressman Gerald Ford, who subsequently became President Ford and was the putziest president we've ever had.

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You get out on the golf course and go for, oops, sorry about that.

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Anyway, he decided to get into the act because like all politicians, he knew which side the bread was buttered on, you know,

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and a congressional hearing on UFOs would be a political opportunity with the folks back home.

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So here's a little clip from Gerald Ford.

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You know that one?

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Congressman from Michigan thinks there should be a further investigation of the strange UFO reports.

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House Minority Leader Gerald Ford said this today.

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The Congress should investigate the rash of reported sightings of unidentified flying objects in southern Michigan and other parts of the country.

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A congressional inquiry would be most worthwhile because the American people are becoming most interested and in many instances very alarmed by the UFO stories.

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I firmly believe the American people would feel much better if there was a full blown investigation of these alleged incidents.

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Congressman Gerald Ford.

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So there we go.

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Interesting, interesting.

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So we have Ford, we have Carter, we have Reagan all talking about UFOs.

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And we well.

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We even have Truman denying he knows anything about it.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Amazing archive of audio you have, Wendy Connors.

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Well, thank you.

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And you're not going to go away because you're going to stick around for another half hour.

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You have some more interesting stuff for us tonight.

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Usually we get you to do a half hour but tonight is a treat for a lot of people.

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Well, thank you.

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In the next half hour I thought we might do a little radio drama from way back when in the Lines office.

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Yeah, and there was a lot of that stuff done, wasn't there?

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Oh, yeah, it really was.

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Not just War of the Worlds but stuff that, programs that actually focused on flying saucers.

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That's true or travel is out of space.

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Yeah, Theater of the Mind.

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That's right.

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It's always much easier to make mind movies than it is stuff for the big screen or for the small screen.

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But we're on our way to the, okay, there's the bumper music, Wendy.

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We will pause for the latest from the newsrooms.

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Okay, we'll see you on the flip-flop.

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And we'll see you on the flip-flop, as you said.

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Victor Vigiani is listening tonight.

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He asked me to ask you a couple of questions when we come back.

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We'll pick up on his questions and listen to some old flying saucer-related radio dramas with Wendy Connors,

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UFO archivist, historian, and just generally wonderful person.

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And she has good toys too, good audio toys.

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We will be back on the line with us is Wendy Connors of Faded Discs.

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Faded Discs.

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Faded Discs.

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Faded Discs.

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Faded Discs.

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Faded Discs.

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Wendy Connors is a UFO historian and UFO archivist.

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Boy, you have collected the most staggering number of audio clips.

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You also have some bookage out there too, don't you, Wendy?

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Yes, I've written a couple of books.

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With my co-partner in research, Michael David Hall,

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our latest one was Captain Edward J. Ruppelt,

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Summer of the Saucers, 1952,

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and it's more or less a biography of Ruppelt and the whole scenario

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from the time that he took over as the first director of Blue Book.

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Fascinating book too, just the stuff in there.

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It's actually mind-boggling the stuff that you've collected,

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not just the audio, but all of the files and the histories.

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Your basement must be enormous.

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Or do you have a basement down there?

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No, we don't have basements down here.

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No, I thought not.

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No, we're just a big slab of concrete sitting on the sand.

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On the sand, yeah.

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No fallout shelters, no duck and cover down there in the desert.

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No, not really.

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I wanted to just do a drop-in here, Wendy.

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Dave Furlot earlier on had mentioned Obergen, the Coggin Gear slippage comment,

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and Dave emailed me, he says,

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the Coggin Gear slippage comment was Oberg's attempt to try

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to explain the jump cuts by what the cameras record

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when they cut the image in and out.

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Coggin Gear, a nice technical phrase, huh?

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Oh yeah.

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Designed to expand everybody's understanding of it all.

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Something else that I wanted to just mention here too, Wendy Connors,

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is that working in radio today is far removed from working in radio

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just a few years ago with the technology, the way it is,

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with the web, with the internet, with the computers, the sound files.

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You emailed me a clip that you wanted to add to the list tonight,

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and just to let you know that Dean has that ready for you whenever you want it.

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Okay, well, we can do it now.

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We can do it now.

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Okay, this is, I encourage all listeners to, if they have a request

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that they want to hear a person's voice that they've never heard before,

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or a situation or whatever to either email you or me and that,

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and when I come make frequent visits to that,

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I'll try to bring some of the clips to fulfill those requests.

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There you go, that's a good idea.

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And this request came from a person who wants to remain anonymous,

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but he really wanted to know what Gordon Cooper actually said about ETs

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and flying saucers.

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So for Mr. Anonymous, this is for you from the Fated Disc Archives.

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Are there people out there, Gordon?

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I think so.

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Some are out in, if not in our galaxy, in the neighboring galaxies,

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we should find the habitated planets.

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As one of our most respected scientists and astronauts,

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you say there's somebody out there.

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My personal opinion is there are, and I certainly hope not too many years go by

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before we prove without any reasonable doubt at all that there are.

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One more question you can answer, yes or no.

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Have any of them ever been here?

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I think they have and are here regularly.

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Thank you.

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There you go, Mr. Anonymous.

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Whoa, that's what he actually said.

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Former astronaut Gordon Cooper.

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Now that was a quote he was quoted from the Merv Griffin show from 1975.

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So it's been quite a while ago.

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Yeah, that sounds almost as old as some of the really old stuff you've been playing.

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Wendy's email address, if you have a request and you think that Wendy might have,

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the audio clip is Faded Discs.

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That's two D's in the middle, Faded Discs at Comcast.net.

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Yeah, Wendy.

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And send me the word and I'll try my best to pull out some really obscure stuff for you

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if that's what you want.

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I think people want that.

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Because that's the purpose behind all of the recording,

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is kind of a clearing house for researchers when they need a clip or whatever,

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or they can contact me and we can make arrangements to get whatever they need to do them.

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So it's not just entertaining people going on radio, Wendy Connors?

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Oh no, no, not at all.

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This is a very, I think, kind of a funny lipid attitude on the radio with this stuff

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because I want people to have fun with it.

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Yeah.

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But a lot of this stuff is extremely serious.

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And so I'm real serious in private and when I get on the radio,

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I really want to do a little bit of entertaining,

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but also to give the audience a really good look back

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so they can really hear what was actually said and have fun doing it.

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Yes, I'm talking about looking back.

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Oh yeah.

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You know, when I was very small growing up in Iowa, knee-high to a toad,

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the flying discs hadn't arrived yet.

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And in the evenings, my mom would put me in my jammies and we had this big plastic bowl

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and she'd fill it with popcorn and we'd turn out all the lights and turn on the radio

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and it was one of those big old cabinet radios.

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And the big glow from the dial was all we had and we'd sit there and listen and wrap the tension

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to old radio dramas.

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And in UFOs, dealing with UFOs, there were a lot of radio dramas back in 52 or 53 that dealt with that.

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And this first little clip is from a program called 2000 Plus and it's dealing with flying saucers

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and it was a 30-minute program which I've edited down to about five minutes.

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And basically what it was was a couple of scientists in that had invaded the earth

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and assumed these high positions and they were going to take over the earth.

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But I removed all of that stuff for a specific reason.

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We can talk about that when we come back.

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So here's the clip from 2001 called The Flying Saucers.

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Today, a story entitled The Flying Saucers.

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It is the year 2000 Plus 12.

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A blazing New Mexico sun shines down upon a great military installation, upon a vast noisy field,

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and upon a silvery shape which seems to strain forward, ready to leap up into space.

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In an executive office, a man sits in his chair, his eyes on the great rocket.

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Behind him, the girl waits for him to speak.

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I'm ready, Dr. Bronson.

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Get this on tape as well as in shorthand.

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It's for the permanent files in Washington.

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It's got to go out in the next jet.

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Heading, top secret.

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To National Scientific Council.

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Copies to joint Chiefs of Staff Secretary of Defense, the President.

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Brom Andrew Bronson. Forget the usual string of title, darling.

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Chief Parmen of Extraterrestrial Research, White Sands, New Mexico.

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Regarding defense measures against aerial visitors listed in file AA-286 as Flying Saucers.

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One.

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For the past three months, this secret experimental installation has been visited by Flying Saucers.

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First appearance coincided with the launching of our secret flying missile, Zeus.

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Details in reports CB-286, A, B, and C.

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Two.

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Although the flying saucers have never landed, the frequency of their visits has tripled since the launching.

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As reported in the file CITI, Zeus has not yet returned.

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Three.

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In view of the importance to national security of this secret installation and its experiments,

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the reports already mentioned were reviewed by JECS and the National Scientific Council.

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It was decided that the flying saucers were a potential menace and that countermeasures be undertaken.

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Four.

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Zeus, too, an improved model of our secret flying missile, has been completed and armed.

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It is equipped with mass attraction and proximity fuse devices.

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Warhead contains 5,000 pounds hexanite.

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Firing control automatic.

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C file CB-344.

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Five.

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The station has been placed in condition alert.

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Next visit from the flying saucers is expected momentarily.

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In view of the foregoing, we are in complete readiness.

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We will attack.

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Repeat.

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We will attack.

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Radio control to Dr. Bronson.

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Bronson here, what is it?

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Flying saucer detected and registered.

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Computation center fed data.

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Data follows.

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Distance, 486 miles.

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Height, 50.2 miles.

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Speed, 5 miles per second.

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Estimated time of arrival at contact point, 1 minute 58 seconds from now.

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Over and off.

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Yes.

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What is it?

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Er, McDonough thought you'd like to hear this, sir.

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This is Al Waters, a ranch from upstate.

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He flew down from his ranch this morning and reported to the state police.

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They sent him to us.

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The saucer?

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Yes, sir.

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Where is it, Mr. Waters?

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The wreck.

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Rack? I didn't see no wreck, Doug.

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What did you see?

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I seen a flying saucer come down about half a mile from a ranch house.

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Start this morning when I was going after lost care.

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Now, Mr. Waters, let's get to your ranch.

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Sure is big, ain't you?

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Yes.

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Must be over 300 feet in diameter.

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Look at that.

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Sure looks complicated, don't it?

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This must be the control room.

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My conflict would expect that another door over there.

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A larger room.

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This must be the cruise quarter.

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There's no one here.

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Let's...

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What's that?

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Let's get it for a second.

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I'll take a look through.

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Irene.

466
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,000
Irene, wake up.

467
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,000
Wake up.

468
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000
I'm conscious.

469
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,000
Irene?

470
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,000
Still unconscious.

471
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,000
How did she get here?

472
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,000
Now that's entertainment.

473
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,000
I'm not going to be a fool.

474
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,000
I'm not going to be a fool.

475
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000
I'm not going to be a fool.

476
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Now that's entertainment.

477
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Is that entertainment or what?

478
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,000
What year?

479
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Here we have the Roswell crash, alien abduction.

480
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,000
What year was that?

481
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,000
This was 1952.

482
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,000
Oh, good grief.

483
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:49,000
You know, I really think the nice thing about it was that the writers of the old radio dramas really did a good job.

484
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:56,000
Because they incorporated things that they heard that were actually going on in the field of ufology.

485
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:04,000
For example, there's a very plane that we're talking about, William Brazill and the Roswell crash.

486
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:10,000
The Air Force taking the subject seriously at the beginning.

487
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000
So a lot of good stuff goes in those radio dramas.

488
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:18,000
I like the flying saucer with the wooden floors and the sliding screen door.

489
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
Isn't that cool?

490
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,000
It's very cool.

491
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:26,000
The screen doors still sound the same in 2003, just like they used to in 1952.

492
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,000
We'll come back with more of Fated Disks.

493
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Wendy Connors from the Wendy Connors collection of UFO audio.

494
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:41,000
I had an email from Victor Pagiani down there in Canberra, Australia.

495
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,000
Listening in.

496
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,000
Good afternoon, Victor.

497
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,000
Good to have you along.

498
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:55,000
Wendy, do you have military personnel audio describing official UFO involvement at all, stashed away on one of your shelves?

499
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000
I sure do.

500
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,000
You do?

501
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Yeah.

502
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,000
Okay, so question number two.

503
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:07,000
Could an archive of those kinds of quotes be assembled as a database for presentation to media and elected officials?

504
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,000
I am working on it right now.

505
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:16,000
As a matter of fact, I have 118 sound bites taken from recordings so far.

506
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:24,000
What I do is I try to break each recording down into sound bites if somebody is talking on a particular topic.

507
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,000
I segregate those out from the whole program.

508
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:34,000
So I archive the whole program and then I break the whole program down into little sound bites.

509
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Victor will be happy to hear that because he is working on a project also, his own version of the Disclosure Project.

510
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:50,000
So I guess you two are going to be communicating by email very shortly.

511
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000
It will be a pleasure.

512
00:35:51,000 --> 00:36:03,000
Yes, and Victor wrote to SDI at virtuallystrange.net which will bring your email up on the screen if you have something that you would like to say.

513
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Last clip, Wendy.

514
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:13,000
Okay, this last clip is also a radio drama and this one is actually British Australian production.

515
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:26,000
It is called Medical File which was a docu-drama which was based on actual medical incidents and the information taken from the file.

516
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:33,000
So it was called Medical File and this episode was called UFO and this one is also from 1952.

517
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:47,000
And what's significant about this clip was, or this drama was that it was the first time that in radio that they were using the term unidentified flying object rather than flying saucers.

518
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:54,000
And secondly, this was the radio drama that dealt specifically with the hoax and that.

519
00:36:54,000 --> 00:37:03,000
Anyway, from 1952 this is called Medical File, UFO. It's Australian British production.

520
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,000
It was 8.25 p.m. the Thursday, September the 4th.

521
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,000
It had been a long day.

522
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:15,000
Patients at my consulting rooms all morning, a hurried lunch, fastened around for most of the afternoon.

523
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:23,000
At 5 p.m. I admit my wife had seen an early movie and at 8.25 p.m. we were driving home.

524
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:30,000
Along the north road is where we noticed a strange blue light about 100 yards from the highway through a rail of trees.

525
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,000
And what I saw next made me slow the car to a sudden halt.

526
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,000
Tom, what did you think you saw?

527
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,000
It looked like a man running away from that light.

528
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,000
Well, the light's gone, look.

529
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,000
But I'm sure I saw someone.

530
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,000
I had really better go and take a look.

531
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,000
This is it.

532
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Whoever it is, he's unconscious.

533
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,000
He's not dead?

534
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,000
No, there's a heartbeat.

535
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Pulse is rapid.

536
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,000
Here, see if you can give me a handle on him.

537
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
Let's get him back to the car.

538
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:14,000
8.35 p.m.

539
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,000
We carried the unconscious man to the car and attempted to revive him.

540
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:25,000
When this proved unsuccessful, I drove the rest of the way home, arriving there 10 minutes later.

541
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:31,000
8.55 p.m. I gave the patient morphia and removed him to the surgery attached to my home.

542
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:39,000
During his time, he muttered continuously about the thing that hovered over his head and about the blue fire that had burned him.

543
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:48,000
It was not until I examined him under the strong light in my surgery that I saw the burn marks clearly visible on his arms and face.

544
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Where am I? What happened to me?

545
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:55,000
Just relax, Mr. Derrickson. You're in my surgery. I'm a doctor.

546
00:38:55,000 --> 00:39:01,000
Now, if you'll just lie back and relax, my wife's making a cup of tea.

547
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000
Well, Derrickson, you'd better report this.

548
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000
I have to admit I saw the blue light myself.

549
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,000
Now, I acted too. I don't know...

550
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Don't worry. I'll report it. Sooner or better, I've got my own ideas about what that was tonight.

551
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,000
Yes. I think we'd better call the police.

552
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:30,000
9.50 p.m.

553
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Oh, well, Doctor. No need for you to stay up any longer, sir. It's been a long night.

554
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Certainly has started. What about Mr. Derrickson?

555
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
He's gone to the station with the inspector to make a statement.

556
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,000
And I understand there'll be someone down from the Air Force investigating unit first thing in the morning.

557
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Air Force?

558
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Well, they've got a special intelligence section that reports on an identified flying object.

559
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000
They'll certainly want to talk to you sometime tomorrow, Doctor.

560
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
You mean you're taking this quite seriously, this story?

561
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
What else can we do, sir?

562
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,000
You saw the blue flame and the white flare after which you're still...

563
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Surely there must be some reasonable explanation.

564
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000
I wish there was.

565
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,000
I mean, the devil to pay tomorrow with the reporters and the like all over the town.

566
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,000
We'll see what the Air Force think about it in the morning.

567
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,000
9.50 p.m.

568
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,000
Well, Doctor, I came to say goodbye. And then to do some explaining.

569
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,000
Well, one thing I'd like to thank you for, Jacob,

570
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,000
is you made it clear to the newspapers that Paula and I were innocent witnesses.

571
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,000
It happened as we thought it could have happened.

572
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,000
He climbed the trees and broke off enough branches to make it effective.

573
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Then he put a plastic blue cover over his flashlight and waited for a car.

574
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,000
And we came along.

575
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000
He must have seen you slow down, so he lit the sudden flare you saw.

576
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,000
What was it?

577
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,000
Magnesium.

578
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,000
How long was stripped at Bertha Grass as well?

579
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,000
Yes, and singed his arms and face.

580
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,000
Oh, no. No, he'd done that a short time before with matches.

581
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,000
He simply singsed the skin and made sure he'd have burns to back up his story.

582
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Here.

583
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
When the Magnesium was flaring and you'd stopped the car,

584
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
he started to run, tripped himself,

585
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,000
faked his unconsciousness, and then staged his act back here at your house.

586
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Well, we...

587
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
You mean he confessed to all this?

588
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,000
He confessed to all right.

589
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,000
You know, he got quite proud of his story.

590
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,000
Once he saw that his original purpose had been defeated,

591
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,000
and he wasn't going to make any money out of it,

592
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,000
he was eager to tell us how clever he'd been.

593
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000
But what made him confess?

594
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000
After I found out about that press agent and the magazine deal,

595
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
I started to do some real probing.

596
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,000
Huh?

597
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,000
He was supposed to have a fine army record.

598
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,000
Well, I checked on that.

599
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,000
He was discharged from the army dishonorably,

600
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,000
found AWL in wearing an officer's uniform.

601
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Needless to say, he was actually a private.

602
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Yes.

603
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,000
The kind who had to be bigger than he was, eh?

604
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,000
Yes, I admit a few.

605
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
And, sir, you've disproved another flying source of story, eh, Jacobs?

606
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,000
I know what you're thinking.

607
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,000
But don't believe they're all engineered by frauds, Doctor.

608
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Once in a while, you know, we really get one we can't explain.

609
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,000
WENDY CONNORS

610
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,000
Wendy Connors, thank you.

611
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:14,000
Scoping another 30-minute, uh, 1952 radio drama into five minutes.

612
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,000
We've run out of time, Wendy.

613
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
I want to thank you, whole bunches, uh, for the last hour.

614
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000
You are very welcome.

615
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
It's always a pleasure and good night, everyone.

616
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,000
And good night, Wendy Connors.

617
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,000
Thank you when we come back.

618
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,000
Strange Days, indeed.

619
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,000
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